Conversations about TIAA’s General Account
How TIAA’s General Account allocates up to $30 billion in new money annually

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Talking fixed income with the TIAA General Account’s Wen-Fu Wu and Mike DeBello
It takes a finely calibrated investment process to reliably deliver guaranteed payments to millions of savers and retirees for decades into the future. This is precisely the function of TIAA’s nearly $300 billion General Account, or GA.1
We chatted with Wen-Fu Wu, the TIAA GA’s deputy chief investment officer and head of fixed income, and Mike DeBello, the TIAA GA’s head of asset allocation and third-party investments. Our conversation covered how the GA puts tens of billions of dollars to work each year, and what market volatility and U.S. budget deficits mean for the GA’s investment program.
Hi guys. The GA invests mostly in fixed income assets. Can you talk about why that is, and what you’re trying to accomplish?
Wen-Fu - Sure. For starters, we run a
Our mission requires that we emphasize capital preservation to reinforce our financial strength, and to ensure our capacity to deliver on our mission for the next 100 years and beyond. To that end, we invest mostly in long-duration, high-quality bonds to generate a stable, recurring stream of predictable income.
We don’t actively trade bonds, nor do we try to follow any specific portfolio benchmark. There are several reasons why traditional benchmarks aren’t terribly helpful for what we’re trying to accomplish. For one thing, we don’t value our portfolio on a mark-to-market basis, so benchmarks that produce returns by using real-time asset prices don’t reflect what’s happening in our portfolio or our approach to investing.
Rather, we operate a highly customized global portfolio and set allocations within specific risk limits and return targets. Our industry-leading capital buffer3 and long-term liabilities allow us to seek higher returns with less liquid assets. An example of this is private credit, which provides a
How often do you shift the fixed income allocation, and based on what kind of factors?
Mike - We invest around $25-$30 billion annually, the sum of new contributions from plan participants, income earned from our investments, and turnover from existing investments in the portfolio. This is a lot of new money to put to work each year—an amount on par with two or three large corporate defined benefit plans combined.5 Our scale can be advantageous to retirement plan participants since we can access asset classes and investment opportunities that smaller investors can’t, and it means we’re better able to diversify across the entire investment universe.
With that in mind, we think about asset allocation in three ways. First, there’s our strategic, or long-term, asset allocation. This is geared toward meeting our liabilities—payouts to savers and annuitants. For this, we’re thinking about how to be invested to pursue return and risk objectives far into the future under a wide range of economic scenarios. Next, there’s our dynamic asset allocation, which, while informed by the strategic long-term view, really focuses on how we’re going to invest in a given year. Here, we look at factors like new supply across asset classes, what we want risk-based capital to look like at year-end, and how we can provide our participants with attractive crediting rates. We’ll create target allocation ranges for the different asset classes that Wen-Fu just mentioned, including public and private investment grade and high yield bonds, structured credit, and safe haven assets such as U.S. Treasuries.
Last, we have a tactical allocation that allows us the flexibility to shift new money around within the target ranges to adapt in real-time to evolving market conditions. We can be opportunistic and potentially take advantage of short-term disruptions in the market, for instance, credit spread dislocations. The shorter-term allocation processes ladder up into what we are trying to do over the longer term.
We’ve seen a lot of economic policy changes and market volatility this year. What are you most focused on?
Wen-Fu - This year has really been about uncertainty and how long the uncertainty will last. Off-and-on tariff announcements raise questions about corporate behavior and earnings, and consumer confidence—whether companies and consumers are going to pause big purchases and for how long. Anecdotally, we hear that CEOs are in wait-and-see mode, pausing on making investments and not hiring in anticipation of an economic downturn. While labor market and inflation readings for now have been controlled, at some point concerns may gain traction about a recession, and this could become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Mike -There’s been a lot of policy-induced stress. And there’s been a bit of a disconnect between the credit markets, where spreads [the difference between corporate bond yields and comparable Treasuries representing a risk premium] remain relatively tight, and most of the volatility has been confined to the public equity market. Remember, the GA doesn’t have public equity holdings, so day-to-day stock market volatility isn’t directly impacting the GA’s performance.
Have you made meaningful allocation moves this year based on the volatility we’ve seen?
Mike - We were a bit more defensively positioned heading into this year and continue to be selective in our sector positioning. This means taking a more cautious approach to fixed income issuers that are most exposed to the pace of economic growth. I’ll also mention that we get a lot of questions about what the Federal Reserve may or may not do with short-term rates. We don’t get too caught up in that because our asset allocation view is much longer-term, and we care more about the 10-year Treasury than short-term rates. For now, we can continue to lock in higher long-term rates, since the 10-year yield has been range-bound well above 4%.6
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Moody’s Ratings recently downgraded U.S. government debt.7 What does this downgrade mean for the GA, if anything?
Wen-Fu - We currently have the highest available rating from all four rating agencies.8
Moody’s affirmed TIAA’s ratings, including our insurance financial strength. They cited our ‘dominant position’ in the higher education retirement market, plus the capital strength and predictable liability structure we talked about earlier in their latest review.9
We weren’t surprised by the downgrade since they had foreshadowed it for over a year, and they were the third ratings firm to act. That said, we did see a few knock-on effects in that Moody’s did make a handful of related downgrades to U.S. insurers and banks.
How concerned are you about the fiscal situation in the U.S., given the GA owns a large amount of government debt? Moody’s cited deficits and growing interest costs in their downgrade.
Wen-Fu -We’re always thinking far ahead about potential risks, whether we want to diversify into other AAA-rated government issuers or corporates, but we’re a long way off from making any changes. U.S. debt will remain a safe and highly liquid investment for a long time.
I will say that the risk of a technical default in the U.S. is growing. By this I mean Congress for whatever reason doesn’t authorize sufficient payments to meet its obligations. It’s an open question what that would mean for how the risk-premium of U.S. Treasuries would adjust and we would likely see pricing adjustments throughout the markets and the global economy. At this point, we believe this would be a short-lived event, so, for us, it’s a thought experiment and we’re not currently making allocation decisions with this specific concern in mind.
Very interesting. Thanks so much for your time, Wen-Fu and Mike.
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1 As of March 31, 2024.
2 TIAA Traditional is issued by Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association of America (TIAA), New York, NY.
3 As of Dec. 31, 2023, according to a J.P. Morgan peer analysis of Life Insurers’ Asset Allocations. TIAA’s capital and surplus totaled $48.9 billion, compared with $38.2 billion for the next-largest peer.
4 The so-called illiquidity premium for private loans, or the yield advantage versus comparable public assets, can often be around 2.5%, or 250 basis points, per year. See Deutsche Bank, “Private Credit-A rising asset class explained,” Oct. 9, 2024.
5 Zorast Wadia, Alan Perry and Ryan Cook, “2025 Corporate Pension Funding Study.” Milliman, April 30, 2025. The average total market value of the 100 U.S. public companies with the largest defined benefit plans was $12.6 billion, as of Dec. 31, 2024.
6 As of June 16, 2025.
7 Moody’s Ratings Rating Action, “Moody’s Ratings downgrades United States ratings to Aa1 from Aaa; changes outlook to stable.” May 16, 2025. See also: New York Times, “U.S. Downgraded By Moody’s as Trump Pushes Costly Tax Cuts,” May 16, 2025.
8 For stability, claims-paying ability and overall financial strength, Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association of America (TIAA) is one of only three insurance groups in the United States to currently hold the highest possible rating from all four leading insurance company rating agencies: A.M. Best (A++ rating affirmed as of July 25, 2024), Fitch (AAA rating affirmed as of August 26, 2024), Standard & Poor's (AA+ rating affirmed as of May 29, 2024) and Moody’s Investors Service (Aa1 rating affirmed as of May 21, 2025). There is no guarantee that current ratings will be maintained. The financial strength ratings represent a company’s ability to meet policyholders’ obligations and do not apply to variable annuities or any other product or service not fully backed by TIAA’s claims-paying ability. The ratings also do not apply to the safety or the performance of the variable accounts, which will fluctuate in value.
9Moody’s Ratings, “Moody’s Ratings affirms TIAA’s ratings; outlook stable,” May 21, 2025.
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